1 00:00:15,829 --> 00:00:12,070 my name is race hobbs and i am the 2 00:00:17,430 --> 00:00:15,839 co-owner of kgra digital broadcast media 3 00:00:22,550 --> 00:00:17,440 llc 4 00:00:25,269 --> 00:00:22,560 in 2007 i attended some mufon meetings 5 00:00:26,470 --> 00:00:25,279 i had a long-standing interest in the 6 00:00:30,230 --> 00:00:26,480 ufo subject 7 00:00:32,310 --> 00:00:30,240 and had actively investigated and 8 00:00:36,709 --> 00:00:32,320 researched ufos 9 00:00:39,030 --> 00:00:36,719 for many many many years and i thought 10 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:39,040 that you that utilizing mufon would 11 00:00:42,150 --> 00:00:40,960 really help enhance my investigation 12 00:00:43,990 --> 00:00:42,160 skills 13 00:00:46,709 --> 00:00:44,000 so i started to go to some local 14 00:00:50,069 --> 00:00:46,719 meetings and um 15 00:00:53,189 --> 00:00:50,079 i wound up joining mufon 16 00:00:56,229 --> 00:00:53,199 and in a roundabout way got my own 17 00:00:59,830 --> 00:00:56,239 section and became a section director 18 00:01:02,790 --> 00:00:59,840 for him pretty pretty short order 19 00:01:04,390 --> 00:01:02,800 had my own club building my own group my 20 00:01:05,670 --> 00:01:04,400 own investigation group all the while 21 00:01:08,149 --> 00:01:05,680 doing investigations 22 00:01:10,230 --> 00:01:08,159 um building my investigation portfolio 23 00:01:12,710 --> 00:01:10,240 with mufon 24 00:01:14,070 --> 00:01:12,720 and was really enjoying it quite a bit 25 00:01:17,590 --> 00:01:14,080 you know it was really 26 00:01:21,350 --> 00:01:17,600 um you know sort of uh you know my thing 27 00:01:21,990 --> 00:01:21,360 to be in public relations and dealing 28 00:01:26,789 --> 00:01:22,000 with people 29 00:01:28,469 --> 00:01:26,799 meeting people a lot and uh and so 30 00:01:30,710 --> 00:01:28,479 i was really flourishing really well 31 00:01:32,310 --> 00:01:30,720 doing really good investigations the 32 00:01:34,789 --> 00:01:32,320 the group was just getting bigger and 33 00:01:36,149 --> 00:01:34,799 bigger we would have anywhere from 10 to 34 00:01:40,069 --> 00:01:36,159 30 people every month 35 00:01:42,550 --> 00:01:40,079 coming to the meetings from you know 150 36 00:01:43,990 --> 00:01:42,560 miles away 200 miles away to come to our 37 00:01:48,789 --> 00:01:44,000 meetings before 38 00:01:52,550 --> 00:01:48,799 um i really enjoyed it a lot i uh 39 00:01:55,310 --> 00:01:52,560 i thought of ways to get the word out 40 00:01:58,870 --> 00:01:55,320 about what we were doing i discovered 41 00:02:01,030 --> 00:01:58,880 unfortunately when i began my 42 00:02:02,550 --> 00:02:01,040 career with mufon was right about the 43 00:02:06,149 --> 00:02:02,560 time that they had 44 00:02:07,910 --> 00:02:06,159 engaged in contracts with robert bigelow 45 00:02:09,190 --> 00:02:07,920 anyone who's in the movement and has 46 00:02:11,750 --> 00:02:09,200 followed this 47 00:02:12,630 --> 00:02:11,760 uh you know over the course of time 48 00:02:15,110 --> 00:02:12,640 knows about 49 00:02:16,630 --> 00:02:15,120 how bigelow engaged in a contract with 50 00:02:18,309 --> 00:02:16,640 mufon and so forth and 51 00:02:20,630 --> 00:02:18,319 and the fallout from that whole thing 52 00:02:23,589 --> 00:02:20,640 was just awful for mufon 53 00:02:25,030 --> 00:02:23,599 and i felt like we had you know sort of 54 00:02:27,670 --> 00:02:25,040 turned into 55 00:02:28,470 --> 00:02:27,680 more of a a group of people that were 56 00:02:30,790 --> 00:02:28,480 set 57 00:02:32,710 --> 00:02:30,800 in place to defend mufon than we were to 58 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:32,720 investigate mufon 59 00:02:37,030 --> 00:02:35,040 there was a lot of hack and a lot of 60 00:02:38,710 --> 00:02:37,040 talk about how mufon doesn't release any 61 00:02:41,830 --> 00:02:38,720 of its information 62 00:02:46,150 --> 00:02:41,840 so i thought well 63 00:02:49,589 --> 00:02:46,160 i did fm radio for many years 64 00:02:51,589 --> 00:02:49,599 from a young age and 65 00:02:53,270 --> 00:02:51,599 i've had this interest in ufos and i 66 00:02:55,190 --> 00:02:53,280 just sort of had this idea to kind of 67 00:02:57,270 --> 00:02:55,200 marry the two together 68 00:02:59,270 --> 00:02:57,280 so i set out to learn about podcasting 69 00:03:00,949 --> 00:02:59,280 and digital broadcasting and and just 70 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:00,959 kind of took in as much as i could as 71 00:03:06,070 --> 00:03:02,480 fast as i could 72 00:03:07,110 --> 00:03:06,080 and i created a show called eyewitness 73 00:03:09,670 --> 00:03:07,120 radio 74 00:03:11,110 --> 00:03:09,680 and i had a co-host royce fitzgerald was 75 00:03:13,270 --> 00:03:11,120 one of my co-investigators he was my 76 00:03:15,190 --> 00:03:13,280 chief investigator at the time 77 00:03:16,949 --> 00:03:15,200 and um and he came on board with my 78 00:03:18,790 --> 00:03:16,959 co-host and we built a studio and a 79 00:03:20,710 --> 00:03:18,800 spare room in my home 80 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:20,720 and and we started broadcasting 81 00:03:25,990 --> 00:03:22,560 eyewitness radio 82 00:03:27,670 --> 00:03:26,000 on on an existing network and 83 00:03:29,990 --> 00:03:27,680 everything was great it was growing we 84 00:03:33,110 --> 00:03:30,000 were getting a local following here in 85 00:03:35,430 --> 00:03:33,120 the arkansas northwest arkansas region 86 00:03:37,110 --> 00:03:35,440 uh the northwest section of arkansas 87 00:03:39,030 --> 00:03:37,120 mufon was really instrumental in 88 00:03:39,670 --> 00:03:39,040 supporting us and getting exposure up 89 00:03:42,869 --> 00:03:39,680 here 90 00:03:44,789 --> 00:03:42,879 in the northwest arkansas section and um 91 00:03:46,789 --> 00:03:44,799 and was we kind of sort of over a course 92 00:03:48,630 --> 00:03:46,799 of about a year 93 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:48,640 began to develop a big following in the 94 00:03:52,789 --> 00:03:49,840 midwest 95 00:03:53,270 --> 00:03:52,799 and um and it was really a lot of fun 96 00:03:55,750 --> 00:03:53,280 man 97 00:03:57,990 --> 00:03:55,760 and it was really gaining momentum and 98 00:03:59,030 --> 00:03:58,000 then i kind of ran into some contractual 99 00:04:01,350 --> 00:03:59,040 conflicts where 100 00:04:02,470 --> 00:04:01,360 agreements were passed down to us and we 101 00:04:04,309 --> 00:04:02,480 really weren't cool with those 102 00:04:06,149 --> 00:04:04,319 agreements man so we just decided to 103 00:04:07,589 --> 00:04:06,159 back away from that network 104 00:04:08,869 --> 00:04:07,599 and kind of fall back and figure out 105 00:04:10,070 --> 00:04:08,879 what we wanted to do with the little 106 00:04:13,030 --> 00:04:10,080 show 107 00:04:14,869 --> 00:04:13,040 and uh so when we left this network 108 00:04:18,710 --> 00:04:14,879 wasn't very happy with this at all 109 00:04:19,590 --> 00:04:18,720 um they uh that i guess they kind of 110 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:19,600 looked because i 111 00:04:23,030 --> 00:04:22,320 assisted them a lot with audio work and 112 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:23,040 with uh 113 00:04:29,270 --> 00:04:26,320 information and uh we were a mufon 114 00:04:30,230 --> 00:04:29,280 sponsored show so you know when we left 115 00:04:31,909 --> 00:04:30,240 i think they were afraid that we're 116 00:04:33,030 --> 00:04:31,919 going to pull mufon from them 117 00:04:34,870 --> 00:04:33,040 and that we were going to pull their 118 00:04:35,909 --> 00:04:34,880 listeners from them if we went somewhere 119 00:04:38,150 --> 00:04:35,919 else and 120 00:04:39,350 --> 00:04:38,160 and it's a competitive world media is 121 00:04:42,390 --> 00:04:39,360 very competitive 122 00:04:46,310 --> 00:04:42,400 i mean it is it's it's it's cut throat 123 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:46,320 to an extent and um and really 124 00:04:49,670 --> 00:04:48,080 to to wrap all this up to sort of 125 00:04:51,350 --> 00:04:49,680 bottleneck this 126 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:51,360 i got pissed off at what they were 127 00:04:54,870 --> 00:04:53,520 saying and i said i'm gonna go do my own 128 00:04:58,070 --> 00:04:54,880 thing i'm gonna go 129 00:05:00,070 --> 00:04:58,080 do it the way i want to do it and so 130 00:05:02,390 --> 00:05:00,080 brainstorming meetings began and i 131 00:05:04,629 --> 00:05:02,400 pulled some partners together and we all 132 00:05:05,909 --> 00:05:04,639 had to agree on one thing or we wouldn't 133 00:05:07,670 --> 00:05:05,919 i wouldn't be partners with them and 134 00:05:09,749 --> 00:05:07,680 that was 135 00:05:11,830 --> 00:05:09,759 what we're going to do here is not ego 136 00:05:15,189 --> 00:05:11,840 driven we're going to have an 137 00:05:16,950 --> 00:05:15,199 attitude of we want the boots on the 138 00:05:18,870 --> 00:05:16,960 ground we want 139 00:05:20,870 --> 00:05:18,880 people doing the work we want to 140 00:05:23,110 --> 00:05:20,880 highlight people doing the work 141 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:23,120 no matter how insignificant as long it 142 00:05:28,310 --> 00:05:24,000 was as it was 143 00:05:30,310 --> 00:05:28,320 purposed and uh and to sort of just 144 00:05:31,510 --> 00:05:30,320 get away from all the hacking and the 145 00:05:34,390 --> 00:05:31,520 arguing and the 146 00:05:35,029 --> 00:05:34,400 the belittling and the you know the the 147 00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:35,039 skeptic 148 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:36,800 fights and all that stuff let's leave 149 00:05:40,469 --> 00:05:38,080 all this over to the side 150 00:05:42,870 --> 00:05:40,479 and let's focus on positive things and 151 00:05:45,590 --> 00:05:42,880 the movement needed it i thought 152 00:05:47,909 --> 00:05:45,600 and um so i partnered up with some of my 153 00:05:51,189 --> 00:05:47,919 friends and we started the kgra 154 00:05:54,950 --> 00:05:51,199 on i think it was it was 155 00:05:56,070 --> 00:05:54,960 uh february the 28th 2011 when it was 156 00:05:59,510 --> 00:05:56,080 born 157 00:06:03,270 --> 00:05:59,520 and we went on the air on 158 00:06:06,469 --> 00:06:03,280 march the 28th and uh 159 00:06:09,189 --> 00:06:06,479 we've been rolling ever since with it 160 00:06:11,510 --> 00:06:09,199 it's and it's in it really it's still 161 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:11,520 it's in its infancy however 162 00:06:15,430 --> 00:06:13,680 we have gained such great strides in 163 00:06:16,550 --> 00:06:15,440 such a short amount of time it doesn't 164 00:06:19,110 --> 00:06:16,560 seem that way 165 00:06:20,070 --> 00:06:19,120 although i still have to keep myself 166 00:06:22,870 --> 00:06:20,080 sort of grounded 167 00:06:23,590 --> 00:06:22,880 because we have a long long long way to 168 00:06:26,870 --> 00:06:23,600 go 169 00:06:29,430 --> 00:06:26,880 with this project that i began and 170 00:06:30,070 --> 00:06:29,440 um and it's been a wild ride i can say 171 00:06:33,189 --> 00:06:30,080 that for 172 00:06:35,990 --> 00:06:33,199 for sure up to this point 173 00:06:36,950 --> 00:06:36,000 but that's how it started in a nutshell 174 00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:36,960 i just 175 00:06:40,710 --> 00:06:38,400 i thought that the movement needed 176 00:06:41,110 --> 00:06:40,720 something better and that you know you 177 00:06:44,710 --> 00:06:41,120 go 178 00:06:48,790 --> 00:06:44,720 to these paranormal sites these networks 179 00:06:52,309 --> 00:06:48,800 and it looks like uh a used car salesman 180 00:06:54,150 --> 00:06:52,319 in his off hours playing a clown 181 00:06:56,150 --> 00:06:54,160 puked up a bunch of his business cards 182 00:06:57,749 --> 00:06:56,160 on a website you know 183 00:07:00,230 --> 00:06:57,759 you go there and you know you click on 184 00:07:01,990 --> 00:07:00,240 this it's not even current it's like 185 00:07:03,430 --> 00:07:02,000 five years old this person doesn't have 186 00:07:05,670 --> 00:07:03,440 the show here anymore 187 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:05,680 and on and on and so i wanted to set out 188 00:07:08,710 --> 00:07:07,520 to make a clean website user-friendly 189 00:07:10,070 --> 00:07:08,720 website 190 00:07:12,230 --> 00:07:10,080 and i wanted to get some of the most 191 00:07:14,790 --> 00:07:12,240 important people that i believed in 192 00:07:15,510 --> 00:07:14,800 on that website and on the show on the 193 00:07:19,749 --> 00:07:15,520 network 194 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:19,759 don't like that word 195 00:07:25,350 --> 00:07:23,120 i changed to station um 196 00:07:26,950 --> 00:07:25,360 last year because i think network is 197 00:07:28,550 --> 00:07:26,960 played out you know 198 00:07:30,230 --> 00:07:28,560 everywhere you look there's some kind of 199 00:07:30,710 --> 00:07:30,240 a network and there ain't but one show 200 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:30,720 there 201 00:07:33,749 --> 00:07:32,080 you know i don't know what you're 202 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:33,759 networking buddy but you know 203 00:07:37,670 --> 00:07:36,960 i'm confused over here so we just 204 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:37,680 decided 205 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:39,280 to say we're a station because that's 206 00:07:42,950 --> 00:07:42,000 what we are we're a digital broadcasting 207 00:07:44,790 --> 00:07:42,960 station man 208 00:07:45,990 --> 00:07:44,800 and it's important for us to be looked 209 00:07:48,950 --> 00:07:46,000 at and viewed 210 00:07:50,629 --> 00:07:48,960 as an officially you know licensed 211 00:07:52,550 --> 00:07:50,639 broadcast station 212 00:07:53,749 --> 00:07:52,560 we're not just some thrown together 213 00:07:56,950 --> 00:07:53,759 website 214 00:07:57,990 --> 00:07:56,960 uh you know that claims to be something 215 00:07:59,749 --> 00:07:58,000 they're not 216 00:08:01,749 --> 00:07:59,759 our attitude is we want the boots on the 217 00:08:03,830 --> 00:08:01,759 ground as i said before 218 00:08:05,909 --> 00:08:03,840 but not they don't necessarily have to 219 00:08:07,270 --> 00:08:05,919 be hosts it's not it's not that 220 00:08:09,350 --> 00:08:07,280 important for it to be 221 00:08:10,469 --> 00:08:09,360 for for our host and people on our 222 00:08:15,110 --> 00:08:10,479 network to be so 223 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:15,120 polished and and so we i don't want them 224 00:08:20,550 --> 00:08:18,800 to be involved in listening to other 225 00:08:22,950 --> 00:08:20,560 radio hosts and learning how 226 00:08:25,029 --> 00:08:22,960 talk radio works and why we say what we 227 00:08:27,749 --> 00:08:25,039 say i'll take care of that 228 00:08:28,230 --> 00:08:27,759 i'll tell you what to say and how to say 229 00:08:33,829 --> 00:08:28,240 it 230 00:08:37,029 --> 00:08:33,839 be delivered better 231 00:08:37,829 --> 00:08:37,039 that's my job as your producer i want 232 00:08:39,990 --> 00:08:37,839 you 233 00:08:41,750 --> 00:08:40,000 to just deliver this information that 234 00:08:43,829 --> 00:08:41,760 you want to get to the public 235 00:08:44,870 --> 00:08:43,839 and that's that's that's how we do it 236 00:08:47,190 --> 00:08:44,880 it's not 237 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:47,200 a matter of having professional talk 238 00:08:50,630 --> 00:08:48,240 show hosts 239 00:08:51,670 --> 00:08:50,640 it's a matter of having professional 240 00:08:54,870 --> 00:08:51,680 boots on the ground 241 00:08:55,190 --> 00:08:54,880 doing the work firsthand so that you are 242 00:08:58,150 --> 00:08:55,200 not 243 00:08:58,710 --> 00:08:58,160 hearing second or third or fourth hand 244 00:09:03,350 --> 00:08:58,720 and 245 00:09:04,790 --> 00:09:03,360 know you're hearing it from people who 246 00:09:05,670 --> 00:09:04,800 actually have done the work and been 247 00:09:07,750 --> 00:09:05,680 there and 248 00:09:09,829 --> 00:09:07,760 and you know there's no question that 249 00:09:10,630 --> 00:09:09,839 these folks aren't armchair researchers 250 00:09:12,790 --> 00:09:10,640 or 251 00:09:14,230 --> 00:09:12,800 you know people just trying to pretend 252 00:09:14,630 --> 00:09:14,240 like they're doing the good work these 253 00:09:16,150 --> 00:09:14,640 folks 254 00:09:19,269 --> 00:09:16,160 are doing the good work and they work 255 00:09:22,070 --> 00:09:19,279 very hard and i'm proud of all of them 256 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:22,080 it's interesting that you uh that you 257 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:24,240 asked that because 258 00:09:30,710 --> 00:09:27,680 i was actually on air as a 259 00:09:32,070 --> 00:09:30,720 fm broadcaster air personality dj if you 260 00:09:34,870 --> 00:09:32,080 will 261 00:09:36,790 --> 00:09:34,880 when i kind of had my first ufo 262 00:09:40,230 --> 00:09:36,800 encounter kind of a thing 263 00:09:43,750 --> 00:09:40,240 and i was uh it was the summer of 1990 264 00:09:48,070 --> 00:09:43,760 and i was doing in a shift on the 265 00:09:50,310 --> 00:09:48,080 local rock station in fort smith and 266 00:09:51,990 --> 00:09:50,320 a guy called me it was you know getting 267 00:09:54,870 --> 00:09:52,000 close to time for me to get off work it 268 00:09:58,070 --> 00:09:54,880 was probably around 11 11 30. 269 00:09:59,030 --> 00:09:58,080 and he called from a mobile phone in his 270 00:10:02,710 --> 00:09:59,040 car 271 00:10:03,670 --> 00:10:02,720 and he said that he was on i-10 which 272 00:10:05,509 --> 00:10:03,680 was about 273 00:10:07,750 --> 00:10:05,519 he gave me his positions about 10 miles 274 00:10:10,389 --> 00:10:07,760 give or take 275 00:10:11,269 --> 00:10:10,399 away from me over across the border in 276 00:10:13,829 --> 00:10:11,279 oklahoma 277 00:10:15,350 --> 00:10:13,839 and where our broadcast facility was was 278 00:10:17,190 --> 00:10:15,360 perched upon this big 279 00:10:19,110 --> 00:10:17,200 sort of plateau in fort smith one of the 280 00:10:21,350 --> 00:10:19,120 highest points in fort smith 281 00:10:23,110 --> 00:10:21,360 and i could pretty much see a 360 degree 282 00:10:26,630 --> 00:10:23,120 panoramic view of the city 283 00:10:29,590 --> 00:10:26,640 from where we were the guy who called 284 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:29,600 or i should say the witness said that he 285 00:10:37,590 --> 00:10:30,640 was 286 00:10:38,790 --> 00:10:37,600 giant object over his head with a bright 287 00:10:40,150 --> 00:10:38,800 light on the front of it 288 00:10:42,949 --> 00:10:40,160 and i said what does it look like and he 289 00:10:46,069 --> 00:10:42,959 said man it looks like a submarine 290 00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:46,079 like a gigantic submarine or a blimp or 291 00:10:50,310 --> 00:10:47,200 something 292 00:10:52,310 --> 00:10:50,320 no sound with this just 293 00:10:53,430 --> 00:10:52,320 incredibly bright light on the front of 294 00:10:55,590 --> 00:10:53,440 it not on the back 295 00:10:57,430 --> 00:10:55,600 or you know like a rocket or and it's 296 00:11:00,230 --> 00:10:57,440 there's no noise 297 00:11:01,110 --> 00:11:00,240 no anything it's just dead signing and i 298 00:11:02,949 --> 00:11:01,120 was like 299 00:11:04,230 --> 00:11:02,959 holy crap so i could see this from there 300 00:11:06,069 --> 00:11:04,240 i'm sure so 301 00:11:08,150 --> 00:11:06,079 i was like hang on i put him on hold and 302 00:11:10,069 --> 00:11:08,160 i run out of the studio 303 00:11:11,430 --> 00:11:10,079 run out of the sales door in the back 304 00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:11,440 and there it was 305 00:11:15,670 --> 00:11:14,000 just hanging right there off the sky 306 00:11:18,870 --> 00:11:15,680 maybe 30 degrees 307 00:11:20,310 --> 00:11:18,880 um the thing 308 00:11:21,910 --> 00:11:20,320 the closest thing i can match it to 309 00:11:26,470 --> 00:11:21,920 would be like a welded light but 310 00:11:29,030 --> 00:11:26,480 way bigger i would say it would take 311 00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:29,040 a beach ball to completely cover up the 312 00:11:31,269 --> 00:11:30,800 light and you know the brightness and 313 00:11:33,190 --> 00:11:31,279 everything 314 00:11:34,710 --> 00:11:33,200 of it at arm's length you know you'd 315 00:11:35,269 --> 00:11:34,720 have to hold a beach ball out there to 316 00:11:37,910 --> 00:11:35,279 cover up 317 00:11:40,230 --> 00:11:37,920 all that the core of it was probably the 318 00:11:40,949 --> 00:11:40,240 size of a golf ball but it just was so 319 00:11:42,870 --> 00:11:40,959 bright 320 00:11:45,269 --> 00:11:42,880 that in fact was what made the guy 321 00:11:47,190 --> 00:11:45,279 notice that something was above him 322 00:11:48,550 --> 00:11:47,200 because he was driving and he was at a 323 00:11:50,230 --> 00:11:48,560 stoplight 324 00:11:52,629 --> 00:11:50,240 and he could see the shadows moving 325 00:11:55,190 --> 00:11:52,639 under the trees beside him 326 00:11:55,750 --> 00:11:55,200 moving so whatever was emitting this 327 00:11:58,069 --> 00:11:55,760 light was 328 00:11:59,269 --> 00:11:58,079 moving above him so he pulled over we 329 00:12:00,310 --> 00:11:59,279 went through the light pulled over and 330 00:12:03,430 --> 00:12:00,320 saw it 331 00:12:05,269 --> 00:12:03,440 so i for i'm watching this light drift 332 00:12:08,310 --> 00:12:05,279 across the horizon nice and slow 333 00:12:09,590 --> 00:12:08,320 i can't see what's attached to it but i 334 00:12:11,030 --> 00:12:09,600 could see the light 335 00:12:13,750 --> 00:12:11,040 that he was looking at and i was just 336 00:12:17,430 --> 00:12:13,760 watching it i forgot i was on the air 337 00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:17,440 station went dead air i um 338 00:12:22,870 --> 00:12:20,560 i run back into the station and i throw 339 00:12:24,949 --> 00:12:22,880 in the longest song i can find just 340 00:12:27,430 --> 00:12:24,959 right off the bat there's thousand cds 341 00:12:29,430 --> 00:12:27,440 there but i know molly hatchet 342 00:12:31,590 --> 00:12:29,440 his dreams i'll never seize about eight 343 00:12:33,430 --> 00:12:31,600 or nine minutes i throw it in 344 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:33,440 hit play grab the phone are you still 345 00:12:36,069 --> 00:12:35,760 there he was like dude what what is that 346 00:12:37,509 --> 00:12:36,079 thing 347 00:12:39,110 --> 00:12:37,519 you know what i mean i said dude i have 348 00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:39,120 no idea 349 00:12:42,150 --> 00:12:40,720 i saw it i totally said you see what you 350 00:12:44,069 --> 00:12:42,160 see what you see i saw it 351 00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:44,079 but i didn't see what it was attached to 352 00:12:47,829 --> 00:12:45,760 and um 353 00:12:50,310 --> 00:12:47,839 and it's it's interesting that that that 354 00:12:54,150 --> 00:12:50,320 the ufo stuff kind of 355 00:12:56,150 --> 00:12:54,160 went hand in hand with radio um 356 00:12:58,949 --> 00:12:56,160 and that kind of started my active 357 00:13:02,150 --> 00:12:58,959 interest in mufon i mean not in mufon 358 00:13:03,990 --> 00:13:02,160 my active interest in ufos and 359 00:13:05,509 --> 00:13:04,000 i began a little investigation group in 360 00:13:06,629 --> 00:13:05,519 the river valley right there where 361 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:06,639 you know down there in fort smith where 362 00:13:10,949 --> 00:13:09,040 it's from river valley investigations 363 00:13:12,310 --> 00:13:10,959 and you know some like-minded friends 364 00:13:13,430 --> 00:13:12,320 and all just started getting together 365 00:13:14,870 --> 00:13:13,440 and going out and 366 00:13:16,470 --> 00:13:14,880 you know we would hear from a friend or 367 00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:16,480 a friend or a friend of a friend or an 368 00:13:19,030 --> 00:13:17,600 aunt or an uncle 369 00:13:20,710 --> 00:13:19,040 you know when they saw something i don't 370 00:13:22,150 --> 00:13:20,720 care how old it was i just wanted to 371 00:13:24,230 --> 00:13:22,160 start interviewing people and talking 372 00:13:26,150 --> 00:13:24,240 about this and and 373 00:13:27,829 --> 00:13:26,160 you know started reading books going to 374 00:13:29,030 --> 00:13:27,839 the library and you know pulling out 375 00:13:31,910 --> 00:13:29,040 books and 376 00:13:32,829 --> 00:13:31,920 um that was a big part of it was the 377 00:13:35,269 --> 00:13:32,839 library 378 00:13:37,030 --> 00:13:35,279 because when you would check these books 379 00:13:38,230 --> 00:13:37,040 out you would always be a conversation 380 00:13:39,670 --> 00:13:38,240 around it you know what i mean and 381 00:13:40,710 --> 00:13:39,680 people up there checking out books 382 00:13:42,550 --> 00:13:40,720 around you and things 383 00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:42,560 i met a lot of people at the library who 384 00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:43,920 actually had an interest 385 00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:46,320 people who had sightings the library was 386 00:13:50,629 --> 00:13:48,000 a great place to really 387 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:50,639 kind of network you know back then in 388 00:13:55,110 --> 00:13:52,800 you know the early 90s 389 00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:55,120 we didn't have the internet you know i 390 00:13:59,670 --> 00:13:56,320 think it was prodigy 391 00:14:00,230 --> 00:13:59,680 or something you know aol was still you 392 00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:00,240 know 393 00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:03,680 but the libraries is where it was all at 394 00:14:08,550 --> 00:14:07,120 and um and then so when i started the 395 00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:08,560 kgra 396 00:14:12,389 --> 00:14:10,240 fundamentally it was natural for me to 397 00:14:13,750 --> 00:14:12,399 be coming from a ufo perspective i'm not 398 00:14:16,389 --> 00:14:13,760 a ghost hunter 399 00:14:16,949 --> 00:14:16,399 i'm not a ghost investigator or uh you 400 00:14:20,150 --> 00:14:16,959 know 401 00:14:22,150 --> 00:14:20,160 i'm not spiritualist none of that stuff 402 00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:22,160 and i've never you know really been into 403 00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:23,760 the bigfoot thing although i believe 404 00:14:25,829 --> 00:14:24,160 it's 405 00:14:27,509 --> 00:14:25,839 highly probable that it there's 406 00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:27,519 something out there 407 00:14:31,590 --> 00:14:30,160 but i'm not sure you know about all of 408 00:14:34,949 --> 00:14:31,600 the other investigation 409 00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:34,959 type you know genres but ufos did it for 410 00:14:40,389 --> 00:14:35,360 me 411 00:14:42,069 --> 00:14:40,399 science fiction kid you know star trek 412 00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:42,079 and star wars and 413 00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:45,120 always you know have followed sort of a 414 00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:46,320 belief 415 00:14:50,310 --> 00:14:48,240 that these things were real once i 416 00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:50,320 started investigating 417 00:14:53,910 --> 00:14:52,720 i learned that i had a great uncle who 418 00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:53,920 was a pilot 419 00:14:57,269 --> 00:14:55,920 in the in the air force for many many 420 00:15:00,389 --> 00:14:57,279 many years flew in world war ii 421 00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:00,399 test piloted sabres and and he told my 422 00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:01,600 mother 423 00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:04,320 that he had been buffeted his his flight 424 00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:06,240 squadron had been buffeted by objects 425 00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:07,920 you know at high altitude 426 00:15:12,470 --> 00:15:10,320 and and i kind of akin this the the 427 00:15:14,710 --> 00:15:12,480 story he told her to the one that 428 00:15:16,310 --> 00:15:14,720 uh gordo cooper tells about when you 429 00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:16,320 know he was flying the saber and they 430 00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:16,959 were 431 00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:18,720 buffeted by these objects at high 432 00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:21,040 altitudes it's quite possible that my 433 00:15:24,389 --> 00:15:23,440 great uncle ray could have flown with 434 00:15:26,069 --> 00:15:24,399 gordo cooper 435 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:26,079 you know for all out he died before i 436 00:15:31,509 --> 00:15:28,480 was born um 437 00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:31,519 but he was decorated a pilot and very 438 00:15:35,749 --> 00:15:33,839 well respected and 439 00:15:37,350 --> 00:15:35,759 and i have to believe that if he told my 440 00:15:37,829 --> 00:15:37,360 mother that that he was telling the 441 00:15:39,829 --> 00:15:37,839 truth 442 00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:39,839 you know this is one of these stories 443 00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:41,519 where you know a report from a real 444 00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:42,560 pilot 445 00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:44,160 is kind of sort of handed down through 446 00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:46,240 the family and um 447 00:15:51,030 --> 00:15:49,040 it came from someone who nobody would 448 00:15:53,269 --> 00:15:51,040 expect to lie about something like that 449 00:15:54,069 --> 00:15:53,279 you know you just don't uh there's 450 00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:54,079 really no reason 451 00:15:59,670 --> 00:15:57,600 for them to and um so 452 00:16:02,150 --> 00:15:59,680 my mother she's a cherokee indian and 453 00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:02,160 she's all she finds it very puzzling 454 00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:02,880 that people 455 00:16:07,189 --> 00:16:04,800 don't they have a hard time believing 456 00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:07,199 that ufos are real or ets are real 457 00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:10,720 or sky people um and all of my cherokee 458 00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:12,320 relatives feel that way they're like you 459 00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:12,639 know 460 00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:14,240 they they just don't understand why we 461 00:16:19,509 --> 00:16:16,639 don't accept it and just 462 00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:19,519 exist with it and and you know and and 463 00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:20,160 sort of 464 00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:22,560 embrace it and those that have the 465 00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:25,440 opportunity to engage in the good ones 466 00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:27,440 uh you know are lucky and those who come 467 00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:29,360 across the bad ones what they would call 468 00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:32,000 skin walkers or these entities that they 469 00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:34,800 are nefarious and don't have uh your 470 00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:36,560 best intentions at heart which 471 00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:40,160 they do believe uh uh exists 472 00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:41,680 you know they they just really find it 473 00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:43,519 perplexing man that we don't 474 00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:46,720 um uh believe in it and it's and i 475 00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:49,440 you know i get that you get that we get 476 00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:50,160 that because 477 00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:52,399 we gather at big conferences we come to 478 00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:53,839 talk about this stuff 479 00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:55,519 if it ever happens we're not going to be 480 00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:57,279 the ones that come off the hinges it's 481 00:17:00,389 --> 00:16:57,920 going to be 482 00:17:02,069 --> 00:17:00,399 all the normal people who are sort of 483 00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:02,079 still plugged in 484 00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:05,039 and so i guess to bring everything back 485 00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,000 to it 486 00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:08,880 ufos for me has always been what drives 487 00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:09,520 me 488 00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:11,600 and um i just really want to do 489 00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:13,839 something positive for the ufo movement 490 00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:15,839 something that's going to be lasting 491 00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:17,120 long when i'm 492 00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:21,039 you know uh you know gone on to glory 493 00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:23,120 as we begin our third season we really 494 00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:24,880 want to refine 495 00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:29,039 our craft there are a lot of people who 496 00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:30,720 are copying our business model 497 00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:32,640 new networks and new stations starting 498 00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:34,400 and i think that's awesome 499 00:17:39,909 --> 00:17:37,760 the more competition means 500 00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:39,919 more word and more messages are getting 501 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:41,600 spread you know more information is 502 00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:44,160 getting out there 503 00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:47,039 and so our attitude is is to bring it i 504 00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:48,799 mean we're ramping it up this year we're 505 00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:50,720 moving towards tv 506 00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:54,080 uh you know we've got uh the kjtv.com 507 00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:55,919 staged and ready to go we're working on 508 00:18:00,789 --> 00:17:58,000 video and getting producers and 509 00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:00,799 equipment and and um we want to start 510 00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:03,039 taking people live in the field 511 00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:06,559 all over the world egypt peru bolivia 512 00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:09,840 turkey um wherever 513 00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:11,840 the news is breaking and wherever the 514 00:18:14,710 --> 00:18:13,039 news is happening 515 00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:14,720 is where we want to send our people and 516 00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:16,559 where we want to send you 517 00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:18,799 so that's what we're trying to do this 518 00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:19,679 year 519 00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:23,440 um as well as stay ahead of the game 520 00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:25,840 because you can't sort of sit back and 521 00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:27,840 reward yourself with you know 522 00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:29,840 this is great we've done great yada yada 523 00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:31,280 yada you know 524 00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:32,480 the way i look at it we haven't done 525 00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:34,320 [\h__\h] yet we've got a long way to go 526 00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:36,080 we've got a lot of work to do 527 00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:38,640 it's time to bear down and get after it 528 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:39,600 um 529 00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:43,200 it's uh it's a lot of work because 530 00:18:46,789 --> 00:18:45,520 there's not a lot of big ufo events to 531 00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:46,799 work on 532 00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:50,400 so you know we really focus on 533 00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:53,280 conspiracies we focus on everything and 534 00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:55,360 all the mysteries of the world 535 00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:57,840 are not off the table any mystery is not 536 00:19:02,310 --> 00:19:00,160 off the table with us 537 00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,320 i'm bringing in several new shows from 538 00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:04,240 around the world 539 00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:05,520 we're looking forward to working with 540 00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:08,880 the star the star child skull project 541 00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,880 as well as bringing in some 542 00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:12,640 correspondence from 543 00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:16,000 australia some correspondents from japan 544 00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,840 and uh and we're looking at one from 545 00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:19,360 germany as well 546 00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:21,200 because we want to bring people in real 547 00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:23,360 time here in the states 548 00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:25,679 the information that may or may have not 549 00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:27,760 made it to the united states from around 550 00:19:30,150 --> 00:19:28,559 the world 551 00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:30,160 there are a lot of great cases from 552 00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:31,840 australia and a lot of them we've heard 553 00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,640 from 554 00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:34,400 but really there's a lot of them that we 555 00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:36,640 haven't heard the details about 556 00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:39,840 and or from the witnesses about these 557 00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:40,799 cases 558 00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:43,520 some really bizarre stuff you know like 559 00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:44,320 i've never 560 00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:47,280 investigated a case where someone's 561 00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:48,480 driving down the road 562 00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:50,240 and they see an object in the field to 563 00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:51,520 the left to the right 564 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,280 and your headlights the closer you get 565 00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:55,120 to it your headlights start bending 566 00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:56,960 towards the object 567 00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:59,120 and you literally drive off into a ditch 568 00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,960 because your equilibrium is going off 569 00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,400 you think you have to counter those 570 00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:03,919 lights going that way and you're turning 571 00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,720 the car 572 00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,320 and you're actually staying dead 573 00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:08,480 straight it's your light that's moving 574 00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:09,760 and you don't realize what happened to 575 00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:11,760 you hit the ditch and then this object 576 00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:12,960 lifts off 577 00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:15,200 and it's like you know holy cow that 578 00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:16,159 just happened 579 00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:17,840 i've never heard of anything like that 580 00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:20,880 ever happening here in the united states 581 00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,880 i think that there are so many stories 582 00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,919 around the world 583 00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,919 that have slipped through the cracks 584 00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:27,600 that we have a department now that's 585 00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,559 looking for people 586 00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:30,080 correspondents and boots on the ground 587 00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:31,919 willing to come to report once a week 588 00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:34,320 once a month whenever they can to our 589 00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:36,240 listeners on the kgra 590 00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:39,039 um you know to bring news in real time 591 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,120 as well as cold cases from around the 592 00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,960 world that are very interesting 593 00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,960 and very compelling and also for 594 00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:47,039 researchers who are doing the work 595 00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:48,640 to you know maybe spark something in 596 00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:50,080 them hey i worked on a case 597 00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:52,559 you know that had that same phenomena 598 00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,440 and they can 599 00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,120 link up with this guy that's doing the 600 00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:57,200 story and get more information 601 00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:00,880 in real time we really want to go 602 00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,600 completely international this year with 603 00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:05,840 correspondents from around the world 604 00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,080 live on the station so you'll be able to 605 00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:09,760 see that coming this year 606 00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:13,039 as well as uh more television and video 607 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:15,120 we're going to take it to the to the to 608 00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,240 the world uh 609 00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:18,559 in a way that we've never done before 610 00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,440 and um 611 00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:21,200 so i think streaming video is going to 612 00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:22,799 be a real big part of what we do this 613 00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,280 year 614 00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:25,200 as well that's one of the most exciting 615 00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,990 so i'm really looking forward to that as 616 00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,520 well as the new faces and the new 617 00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:33,679 personalities that are going to come 618 00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,720 to the kgra to you know to talk to our 619 00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:38,080 listeners and to the people all over the 620 00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:38,960 world 621 00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:41,840 it's a wonderful time to be in my chair